{"comments":{"1137234":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137234","comment_id":"1137234","member_id":"68733","comment":"You did? I am having a comprehension problem then, my apologies !!!! LOL","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 8:50pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137233":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137233","comment_id":"1137233","member_id":"3300","comment":"
<\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>Coach Parise, on , said:<\/p>
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\na course that is less than 20 years old barely even has any history, and if you were not just trying to be contrary here you would agree, all right lets say 15?
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\nPlsu run by greats? or at least more than a few
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\nMcGorty is not an all time great and Thompson? not even close to that, really. Come on, you want to drill me on this, feel free.
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\nNo one is saying Hunter is not great, just that referencing his performaces up against a lightly run , let's say vs. a Van Cortlandt, Holmdel, SM, Ill. state mmeet course, Balboa, it's hard to say that a six year old venue or even 10-12 years old is an all time reference point.
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\nI thought they ran GAXC at same place for over 15 years, my bad. Not even that?
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\nArgue for arguments sake? I just finished telling you that I agreed with what you have said on this thread. Geez.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 8:31pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1137226":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137226","comment_id":"1137226","member_id":"68733","comment":"Joe? Come on now, you want to argue for arguments sake? Really?
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\na course that is less than 20 years old barely even has any history, and if you were not just trying to be contrary here you would agree, all right lets say 15?
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\nPlsu run by greats? or at least more than a few
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\nMcGorty is not an all time great and Thompson? not even close to that, really. Come on, you want to drill me on this, feel free.
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\nNo one is saying Hunter is not great, just that referencing his performaces up against a lightly run , let's say vs. a Van Cortlandt, Holmdel, SM, Ill. state mmeet course, Balboa, it's hard to say that a six year old venue or even 10-12 years old is an all time reference point.
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\nI thought they ran GAXC at same place for over 15 years, my bad. Not even that?","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 8:28pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137211":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137211","comment_id":"1137211","member_id":"43715","comment":"
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\nWasn't he unbeaten all of last year until Juniors?
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\nOff 40 miles a week max with soccer obligations
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\nYou don;t think he is the best guy? I will tell you this. most college coaches do, trust me
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\nand for Hunter to be even near being an all timer, which is what the OTHER guy said, NOT ME, he would need to be well below a 15:25 guy or even 20 at Holmdel
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\nYes, he was unbeaten in Michigan - plus FLMW and FLN. Though, as I said, he was challenged pretty heavily down the homestretch at FLN by a guy that returned (Dressel) who isn't even clearly the #1 GSL guy returning from last year (Anderson was just as good as he was). In track, again he was undefeated (as long as you don't count prelims) against high schoolers, with his only two non-MI competitions being the Dream Mile (where he beat another return, Maton, by about a second) and Jr Nats where he was the top prep finisher in the finals after being the fourth fastest prep in the prelims (behind another returner, Tamagno).
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\nHe is a deserving #1 because he tends to win races, but he isn't a FAR AND AWAY #1 because his times aren't much (if at all) better than his top competitors and he doesn't get the chance to really race anyone until the post season (Michigan travel rules prevent MI teams from going to many out of state meets, and not many out of state teams race in Michigan).
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\nas for Hunter being an All-Timer: I agree, if he couldn't break 15:00 at Holmdel, I wouldn't call him an All-Timer.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 8:00pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1137204":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137204","comment_id":"1137204","member_id":"45158","comment":"Fischer should be favored but as a NW guy who observes the national scene, I HIGHLY doubt Dressel, Anderson, and Maton are scared of him.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:36pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"1137202":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137202","comment_id":"1137202","member_id":"3300","comment":"
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\nSurely you jest , he had no one near him at this speedway? That is rarely run by top level guys, and is in infancy in relative timed tested-ness(new WORD) You are so far off on what an All Timer looks like it is frightening. The guy nearest to him was what? 30 seconds back?
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\nYou think he could handle Fischer? I do not and he is not even a guranteed all timer yet.
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\nI think you need to re define what an all timer might look like.
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\nThere are pretty good reference points on here somewhere and a GAXC time winning over no notables no matter how good, is not one of them,
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\nIt may be relatively new in your eyes but some pretty good guys have run there including, as someone mentioned above, McGorty and Jacob Thompson.
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\nBTW, the place has been around since 2008 I believe so while it doesn't have the history of some other courses, its hardly brand new.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:30pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1137201":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137201","comment_id":"1137201","member_id":"68733","comment":"Didn;t Fischer win FL as a junior?
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\nWasn't he unbeaten all of last year until Juniors?
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\nOff 40 miles a week max with soccer obligations
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\nYou don;t think he is the best guy? I will tell you this. most college coaches do, trust me
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\nand for Hunter to be even near being an all timer, which is what the OTHER guy said, NOT ME, he would need to be well below a 15:25 guy or even 20 at Holmdel","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:36pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137199":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137199","comment_id":"1137199","member_id":"45158","comment":"Jumping into this conversation mid-thread, I don't think it was ever crystal clear what "all timer" meant ... whether that meant one of the best this season or all time. On top of that is it all time state, region, or nation?
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\nPersonally I assumed it meant all time, US. However how people define that is 1. subjective and 2. needs to be determined how deep a list goes (top 10 all time list or top 50 or top 100, etc).","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:28pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"1137198":{"pb_id":"69579","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137198","comment_id":"1137198","member_id":"69579","comment":"I mean top 10 in the country, not all time, my bad.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:26pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Xc911","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=69579","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Xc911.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1511823"},"1137197":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137197","comment_id":"1137197","member_id":"43715","comment":"
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\n2. Fischer is by far THE best guy and in Cross. I am not even sure yet he is an All TImer
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\nwhen I think of an All Timer in Cross, I think, never gets beaten except by OTHER All Timers OF All Timers. or just never gets beat , wins eeverything and then some.
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\nHunter has run 8:53.xx so many have run faster, but NOT as sophs, I get that and 4:10.94 is not even that special for a soph anymore
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\nLet's see what he does, he has a waaaaays to go for me to put him with certain guys.
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\nFisher had a challenge late last year from a guy that is back, and wasn't even the clear best returner from his league. How does that make him BY FAR the best guy in XC? It's hard to gauge Fisher, because he doesn't run against anyone from outside his state (and he's just getting into things), but how can you say he is BY FAR the best, and guys running All-Time marks in notable meets can't possibly be near him?
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\nAlso, I never said Hunter was ALL TIME, just that he is a great runner, running times extremely similar to a recent FLN Runner-up, is probably a Top 5 guy this year and would probably be running 15:20-15:25 if he was running at Holmdel.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:19pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1137159":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137159","comment_id":"1137159","member_id":"68733","comment":"Top Ten of all time? In what?
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\nhe has not even won one FL or NXN yet, you're kidding , right?","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:08pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137158":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137158","comment_id":"1137158","member_id":"68733","comment":"Top Ten All Time?
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\nSurely you jest , he had no one near him at this speedway? That is rarely run by top level guys, and is in infancy in relative timed tested-ness(new WORD) You are so far off on what an All Timer looks like it is frightening. The guy nearest to him was what? 30 seconds back?
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\nYou think he could handle Fischer? I do not and he is not even a guranteed all timer yet.
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\nI think you need to re define what an all timer might look like.
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\nThere are pretty good reference points on here somewhere and a GAXC time winning over no notables no matter how good, is not one of them,","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:04pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137094":{"pb_id":"69579","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137094","comment_id":"1137094","member_id":"69579","comment":""1. Hunter is not nearly an All Timer, not on the track yet or XC"
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\nLoL...what results you looking at ? This past Sat in NC made me a believer. The kid is a stud, top 10 in my book.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 6:35pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Xc911","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=69579","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Xc911.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1511823"},"1137086":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137086","comment_id":"1137086","member_id":"68733","comment":"1. Hunter is not nearly an All Timer, not on the track yet or XC
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\n2. Fischer is by far THE best guy and in Cross. I am not even sure yet he is an All TImer
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\nwhen I think of an All Timer in Cross, I think, never gets beaten except by OTHER All Timers OF All Timers. or just never gets beat , wins eeverything and then some.
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\nHunter has run 8:53.xx so many have run faster, but NOT as sophs, I get that and 4:10.94 is not even that special for a soph anymore
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\nLet's see what he does, he has a waaaaays to go for me to put him with certain guys.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 5:33pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137084":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137084","comment_id":"1137084","member_id":"43715","comment":"
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\nLove your work, your responses are too long for someone with ADD like me to read all of it.
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\nTo another poster, Adding Salisbury in does probably get them to 15:30's avg. but so what. This course runs blazong fast as evidenced by Hunter's 14:46, he is very very good, but hardly an All Timer.
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\nI also agree they did not run as poorly as I orignally thought. But, their issue is, if their line up stays as is, they have a gap of 48 secnds from 4 to 5 in this one, in a deeper field? They just keep on adding up like a cash register.
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\nYes, they need Salisbury if they are to compete with the likes of CBA and other nationally elite programs. Hunter is a great runner, though -- almost every one of his races are among the best marks in the nation this year (consistently running times that would be ~15:20-15:25 at Holmdel) and ran 8:16.31 for 3k last year AS A SOPHOMORE. He was 2.5 seconds off McGorty's CR at WakeMed, and ran 5 seconds faster than McGorty at Oatlands. I'd say he's pretty damn good.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 5:26pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1137083":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137083","comment_id":"1137083","member_id":"43715","comment":"
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\nYes, I give all states a look whenever I can, and since Nevada teams have run against teams from other states, Nevada is included. Nevada meets in the system: Palo Verde, Twilight Classic, Las Vegas, Red Rock, North Tahoe, and Falcon.
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\nMcQueen was US#41 in the last update (the first team to not make the rankings)","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 5:20pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1137029":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137029","comment_id":"1137029","member_id":"3300","comment":"