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Regional Rankings Boys XC 2014 - 11/6 - DyeStat

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DyeStat.com   Nov 6th 2014, 4:46pm
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By Rob Monroe

Regional Top 5, 11/7

 


 

Northwest Boys -
1. Summit OR
2. Central Catholic OR
3. North Central WA
4. Mountain View ID
5. Kamiakin WA

 

Southwest Boys -
1. American Fork UT
2. Davis UT
3. Desert Hills UT
4. Timpanogos UT
5. Desert Vista AZ

 

South Boys -
1. Jenks OK
2. College Park TX
3. Southlake Carroll TX
4. Katy Seven Lakes TX
5. El Paso Eastwood TX

 

Midwest Boys -
1. Sandburg IL
2. West Lafayette IN
3. Carmel IN
4. Mason OH
5. Hilliard Davidson OH

 

Heartland Boys -
1. Wayzata MN
2. Sioux Falls Lincoln SD
3. Wisconsin Lutheran WI
4. Madison West WI
5. Hopkins MN

 

Northeast Boys -
1. La Salle Academy RI
2. Christian Brothers Academy NJ
3. North Allegheny PA
4. Danbury CT
5. Ridgefield CT

 

New York Boys -
1. Fayetteville-Manlius
2. Liverpool
3. St. Anthony's
4. Fordham Prep
5. Shenendehowa

 

Southeast Boys -
1. Lake Braddock VA
2. Broughton NC
3. Marietta GA
4. Severna Park MD
5. Daniel Boone TN

 

California Boys (from DyeStatCAL)
1. Great Oak (Southern Section Division I)  
2. Brea-Olinda (Southern Section Division III)
3. Jurupa Hills (Southern Section Division II)
4. Madera South (Central Section Division I)
5. Saugus (Southern Section Division II)

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watchout

dkap, on , said:

That attitude would make the coach extremely unpopular with the Athletic Director.

Dan


Yeah, I agree... while I would be upset if I was the coach and much moreso if I was on the team, but as a coach I wouldn't hold it against the kid - post season meets like these are post season meets (as a teammate I might have a different opinion), and as far as the school is concerned the season ends at the state meet; anything past that is up to the team and the kids to do.
dkap

cerutty fan, on , said:

It's called post-season, sure, but for any nationally ranked team it ought to be called The Season. Regular season is just to tune-up for the "post-season". It's when a team is supposed to really come together, not go it's separate ways. If watchout is right and Summit actually IS a top-5 team in the nation I would be livid if I were the coach of that team and he decided to go to Footlocker. He would be persona non grata at that point. Run track on your own without your team and see how that goes.


That attitude would make the coach extremely unpopular with the Athletic Director.

Dan
cerutty fan

Bill Meylan, on , said:

I would love to see Fisher run both Footlocker and NXN ... Fisher was dominant in both XC and track last year ... He looks great again this season, so any crowning of "The National Champion" would seem to go through Grant Fisher ... If Fisher only runs Footlocker and wins again, I believe the majority of the country will consider him "the best".

Perhaps an unpopular opinion amongst coaches ... This is post-season ... This is the time the individual can (and should) do what they desire and/or do what is best for them personally ... That's my own opinion .... In the case of Matt Maton, if he runs NXN Northwest and helps Summit qualify for NXN Nationals, then he did a great deal for his team ... Summit has a chance to qualify without Maton, but their chances are much better with him ... I doubt his teammates will be unhappy with Maton if he then decides to run Footlocker (assuming Summit qualified with Maton running NXN Northwest) ... I also wouldn't be surprised if Maton made it known to his team early in the season that he was planning to run Footlocker (no matter what ... just a guess).


It's called post-season, sure, but for any nationally ranked team it ought to be called The Season. Regular season is just to tune-up for the "post-season". It's when a team is supposed to really come together, not go it's separate ways. If watchout is right and Summit actually IS a top-5 team in the nation I would be livid if I were the coach of that team and he decided to go to Footlocker. He would be persona non grata at that point. Run track on your own without your team and see how that goes.
dkap

loverubber, on , said:

As do I. If Matt Maton doesn't run, this could be a great opportunity for Summit XC to prove to the nation that you don't need a champion to have success as a team.


Their girls once again dominated the State meet with last year's #1 sidelined, and two years ago surprised many people to win with 1 or 2 girls held out for disciplinary reasons, so I suspect it's a [stepping up] scenario they're not uncomfortable with.

Dan
hayward102

Bill Meylan, on , said:

I also wouldn't be surprised if Maton made it known to his team early in the season that he was planning to run Footlocker (no matter what ... just a guess).


I suspect this is true. I also agree with what palimmer said as well. I am hopeful if Maton does not run NXR that Summit is still able to advance.
loverubber
As do I. If Matt Maton doesn't run, this could be a great opportunity for Summit XC to prove to the nation that you don't need a champion to have success as a team.
Bill Meylan

watchout, on , said:


... I think (hope) it's mostly #3 - which would be moot if Fisher threw his hat in the ring and ran both meets like Verzbicas did - but, hey, it's not my decision to make. I felt the same way with the McGorty situation a couple years ago, but at least then he WANTED to run NXN (he was trying to qualify for both, and almost did). It's an unfortunate time when the talent is split between two meets, and even moreso in cases like this when an individual is putting themselves ahead of their teammates.


I would love to see Fisher run both Footlocker and NXN ... Fisher was dominant in both XC and track last year ... He looks great again this season, so any crowning of "The National Champion" would seem to go through Grant Fisher ... If Fisher only runs Footlocker and wins again, I believe the majority of the country will consider him "the best".

Perhaps an unpopular opinion amongst coaches ... This is post-season ... This is the time the individual can (and should) do what they desire and/or do what is best for them personally ... That's my own opinion .... In the case of Matt Maton, if he runs NXN Northwest and helps Summit qualify for NXN Nationals, then he did a great deal for his team ... Summit has a chance to qualify without Maton, but their chances are much better with him ... I doubt his teammates will be unhappy with Maton if he then decides to run Footlocker (assuming Summit qualified with Maton running NXN Northwest) ... I also wouldn't be surprised if Maton made it known to his team early in the season that he was planning to run Footlocker (no matter what ... just a guess).
watchout

palimmer, on , said:

Maybe it's just me but I find it difficult to fathom why or how an athlete will abandon his team for personal glory. ..but it isn't even that as NXN presents an opportunity for personal glory
as well as team accomplishments....does he not think that his team mates have had something to do with his i ndividual successes?
PL


I agree. Only four possibilities I can think of is that:
1. He had a bad experience at NXN last time (he fell down and was trampled, maybe even got a minor concussion, in the slop in '12)
2. He believes that FLN is not only more prestigious, but so much more prestigious that it isn't worth it to run with his team
3. He wants to race Fisher again, and believes Fisher is only going to run FLN (though Fisher is lucky enough that he CAN run both meets and actually be THE national champion if he was to do so and win both)
4. He wants to go on vacation in Southern California

I think (hope) it's mostly #3 - which would be moot if Fisher threw his hat in the ring and ran both meets like Verzbicas did - but, hey, it's not my decision to make. I felt the same way with the McGorty situation a couple years ago, but at least then he WANTED to run NXN (he was trying to qualify for both, and almost did). It's an unfortunate time when the talent is split between two meets, and even moreso in cases like this when an individual is putting themselves ahead of their teammates.
palimmer
Maybe it's just me but I find it difficult to fathom why or how an athlete will abandon his team for personal glory. ..but it isn't even that as NXN presents an opportunity for personal glory
as well as team accomplishments....does he not think that his team mates have had something to do with his i ndividual successes?
PL
watchout

hayward102, on , said:

These two interviews do not mention NXR in conjunction with Maton and both do state that he is planning to run footlocker which eliminates NXN. I think it's unfortunate if that is how it turns out, but it's obviously his decision to make.

http://oregon-cross-...video_id=126402

http://oregon-cross-...video_id=126387

Summit would obviously lose a front-runner but still has a solid pack behind him. Watchout, where do you think they would be without Maton? I know straight time comparisons aren't the best between races, but if you plug their times in to the 6A race they win even without Maton. I'm not saying that's how it would have played out, but it does show they would have been competitive in that field without him.


With Maton, they have a significant lead as NW#1 and are a US Top-5 team.
Without Maton, they are still in the mix for NW#1 but the gap is potentially very small with CC and NC (and possibly others) nipping at their heels.

The rankings will continue to include Maton, as he raced at the state meet, regardless of whether he is on their NXR squad. It's a shame if he really doesn't run with the rest of his team.
hayward102

TheDarkKnight278, on , said:

Obviously these rankings include Maton running with Summit this year. Is there any word on if he will be running with Summit at NXR this year or will be competing elsewhere?


These two interviews do not mention NXR in conjunction with Maton and both do state that he is planning to run footlocker which eliminates NXN. I think it's unfortunate if that is how it turns out, but it's obviously his decision to make.

http://oregon-cross-...video_id=126402

http://oregon-cross-...video_id=126387

Summit would obviously lose a front-runner but still has a solid pack behind him. Watchout, where do you think they would be without Maton? I know straight time comparisons aren't the best between races, but if you plug their times in to the 6A race they win even without Maton. I'm not saying that's how it would have played out, but it does show they would have been competitive in that field without him.
loverubber
Yes, Summit will be without Maton at regionals. But then again, they certainly could have still topped 6A without him. These rankings are, thereby, accurate.
TheDarkKnight278
Obviously these rankings include Maton running with Summit this year. Is there any word on if he will be running with Summit at NXR this year or will be competing elsewhere?
loverubber
Yes, he will be absent running at Footlocker.
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